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Last post 12-03-2008 06:02 PM by steve@ace. 62 replies.
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  • 03-21-2008 11:19 AM

    • scootgirl
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    choosing a 125

    Hi all!

    For the last week or so I've been reading nearly every post in the forum for noobies and the scooters I'm interested in.  Always thought scooters were cute but having started working in the city (Melbourne) a few months ago I am now obsessed by them and want one now! 

    A little concerned about ongoing costs, rego, insurance, servicing etc since I also have a car (and a teenager!) but running costs seem so low I think it's worth it.  Not sure where to do my Learner's, prices seem the same wherever.  I'm in Elsternwick area but don't mind travelling a bit if one place is way better than the rest. 

    I'm looking at 125's, speed seems like what I'll need since it's mainly for commuting to work and back and the prices are generally affordable for me seeing as I also need helmet, jacket, topbox, etc.

    What I've gathered from all my reading is that the following seem to be the best in the 125 (lower to mid price) range: Fly 125, Bolwell VS 125, Daelim NS 125, Bug Agility and I think I understand that Zoot are Bug/Kymko rebadged?  The Fly gets a lot of great feedback, I need to go out and see them all again now that I've read more.  I've found quite a variance in prices but don't want to buy from somewhere dodgy so if there are any particularly great dealers in Melbourne, or some you wouldn't visit I'd love the feedback.

    While I love the Vespa and Aprilia looks great they are well out of my price range.

    So I guess I'm looking to confirm that the scooters I mentioned above are the ones to look at, where to go (or not go!) shopping for them and if anyone thinks one training licensing place is better than the rest?
      

  • 03-21-2008 12:00 PM In reply to

    • motorrad
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    Re: choosing a 125

    With ever increasing fuel prices,  the money you save with petrol and parking on a scooter it will virtually pay for itself!

    I'm a big fan of HART (Honda Rider Training) as they have a great set-up and highly skilled instructors.

    check them out at http://www.hondampe.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/hondampe/Home/Motorcycles/Training+&+Licensing+(HART)/ 

    Zoot have various models, some are re-badged Bug/Kymco some are Baotian scooters from mainland China.  While not everyone will agree with me, generally I'm not a fan of mainland Chinese scooters as the quality does seem to compare well with the Taiwanese (Bug/Kymco, Bolwell), Korean (Daelim), Euro (Piaggio, Vespa etc) or Japanese.  Sure some Euro & Japanese scooters are actually made in China,  but they are using Euro or Japanese designs, often a lot of components are made in Japan or Europe and they have stringent quality control in place. If you have any doubt in your mind about how important quality control is, think back to all the recalls of mainland Chinese toys, food products, toothpaste etc in 2007 where overseas companies such as Matel did not bother to arrange their own quality control or even properly check the Chinese quality control.

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    David
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  • 03-22-2008 11:39 AM In reply to

    Re: choosing a 125

    scootgirl:

    What I've gathered from all my reading is that the following seem to be the best in the 125 (lower to mid price) range: Fly 125, Bolwell VS 125, Daelim NS 125, Bug Agility and I think I understand that Zoot are Bug/Kymko rebadged?  The Fly gets a lot of great feedback, I need to go out and see them all again now that I've read more.  I've found quite a variance in prices but don't want to buy from somewhere dodgy so if there are any particularly great dealers in Melbourne, or some you wouldn't visit I'd love the feedback.

    All the ones you have listed are reliable scoots and will serve you well, which one suits your needs? Really only you can make that decision and the more research & test rides you take on them the better informed your decision will be. Zoot have rebadged two KYMCO's the 150XL & 250ss, the rest of the range are sourced from Baotian in China.

    Scooter HQ - Where the scooters roam free. Currently Riding - Aprilia Scarabeo 200
  • 03-22-2008 12:40 PM In reply to

    • Ron
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    Re: choosing a 125

    Since you're in Elsternwick, I'd highly recommend Motorcycle Motion on Keys rd, Moorabin as an excellent place to do a learners course. I did mine there and loved every second of it. It's also much closer to you than either of the HART places (Tullamarine and some other outer suburb).

     As to the scooter, I have a VS 125 and love it to bits. But I'd also recommend weighing up your needs vs. what the scoot can offer you, and go out and test ride.
     

    Bolwell VS125 - Red
  • 03-22-2008 05:59 PM In reply to

    • scootgirl
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    Re: choosing a 125

    Scooter HQ:
    All the ones you have listed

     

    So are there any not listed that you think particularly worth a look at?  I'm impressed by the price of the Fly at the moment considering it's still Piaggio.  I agree that I need to do test drives to see what feels comfortable so really need to do my learners soon....

     

  • 03-22-2008 10:49 PM In reply to

    • WYSIWYG
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    Re: choosing a 125

    Hi and welcome to the forums Scootgirl.

    I'm a recent convert to scooters and a new owner of a Bolwell VS125.  I'm also a fan of HART where I did my rider training here in Sydney.  My recommendation would be to do your training and get your Ls first, then take as many test rides as you can.  If you have the option, try renting/hiring a scooter to consolidate your training and give you a feel for riding.  You'll find that it's hard to pick a clear winner on performance alone given that a lot of the scooters that you'll test ride will only have a few kms on them and won't give you a true feel for how they'll perform.  Also, if you're a first-timer, it's hard to know how one engine feels against another...or maybe it's just me.

    I also had narrowed my list down to 3:  the VS125, the Fly and the Agility.  I narrowed it down by budget firstly - as much as I'd love an Aprillia, Vespa, Yamaha or Honda, I figured it's good to start on a decent, cheaper scooter and learn first so by the time I 'grow up', I'll know/feel the nuances between the higher-end brands.  I also cringe at the thought of dropping a Vespa and I know that one day I will drop my scooter as I learn....so I'll do that on a cheaper scooter for now.

    In the end, my choice came down to the Fly and the VS125.  I ruled out the Agility right away.  Strangely enough, I thought it would be the Fly until I rode all 3.  I couldn't get off the Agility fast enough and found it irritating.  I felt cramped and I struggled to find a comfy position on it - I couldn't get a good view with the side view mirrors and found I had to slouch to see in them properly or lean back.  That's surprising considering it's a small scooter and I'm only 5'3" and 56kg.  I also found that the engine dropped the most when I eased off on the throttle, and it had covered the most kms!   Apologies to the Agility owners out there....it's me, not the scooter.....

    The Fly - great scooter, smooth and the most comfortable of the lot.  Side view mirrors were fine and controls were good, except for the horn which I struggled with (important to me in case I need to use it in an emergency).  It only had about 5kms on it when I test rode it so the engine felt tight but it was still a great ride - went where I pointed it and easy to control.  The underseat compartment was OK but not that big.

    The VS125 - love at first ride.  Not as comfy or refined as the Fly...but just had that bit of 'mongrel' about it that I liked.  Accelerated well, rode well and like the Fly, obeyed my every command.  It just felt right, even turning right (my weakness) and side view mirror placement was perfect.  Horn easily accessible and didn't have to fumble or mistake the indicators for it.  For some reason, I find that I can lean it into corners more than the others and it feels surefooted.  The other selling points for me:  the big underseat storage, although I was disappointed that my medium sized full-faced helmet didn't fit inside and the positioning of the petrol cap under the handlebars.  To me this is better than under the seat where an overfill could splash into the underseat compartment.  I also like the position of the tail lights - it sits higher and presumably more visible to drives following.  Check out the tail lights of other scooters when you drive behind them and you'll see what I mean - Vespas and Aprillias (the Mojito in particular) have lower tail lights and are harder to see.

    I could go on and on...but don't want to bore you.  Hope this helps, and good luck!

    Smile

    Bolwell VS125 (white)
  • 03-25-2008 09:56 AM In reply to

    • Tubsta
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    Re: choosing a 125

     125cc and under is cheaper to rego in Victoria.  From memory, about $90 per year less then a 150cc.

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  • 03-25-2008 10:54 AM In reply to

    Re: choosing a 125

    scootgirl:
    So are there any not listed that you think particularly worth a look at?  I'm impressed by the price of the Fly at the moment considering it's still Piaggio.  I agree that I need to do test drives to see what feels comfortable so really need to do my learners soon....

    Not really, unless you want to jump up to the $3990 + orc bracket

    At the moment the VS125 & Fly are the pick of the 125's. Technically the VS is the better scoot with a 4 valve engine (Fly is 2 valve) which generally means more power & less fuel consumption, twin shock rear end, bigger front brake plus you get the big underseat storage & 4 year warranty. VS is Taiwanese & Fly is Chinese.

    Scooter HQ - Where the scooters roam free. Currently Riding - Aprilia Scarabeo 200
  • 03-25-2008 05:59 PM In reply to

    • geezmoz
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    Re: choosing a 125

    Ron:
    I'd highly recommend Motorcycle Motion on Keys rd, Moorabin as an excellent place to do a learners course.

    I did my learners and licence with them as well. Very good instructors and course structure. However, their bikes are a bit old. When I was learning, had a CB250 without 1st gear, just can't engaged and was riding off in 2nd. In a way, it did helped in my clutch control which is a plus I must say.

    I just picked up my VS125 today, very good ride given the price and as many other pple, was looking at Fly 125 as well. Somehow, I'm just more interested in the VS and the total package. I purchased my at Brighton East, very good service and they have my bike for delivery within a day or so. Call them in advance if you are interested in a demo ride so that they can setup one for you.

    The decision is yours, ride them and decide.

    Being a proud owner of my very first scooter VS125
  • 03-25-2008 07:30 PM In reply to

    • crinos
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    Re: choosing a 125

    Tubsta:

     125cc and under is cheaper to rego in Victoria.  From memory, about $90 per year less then a 150cc.

     

     

    Damn... one of the main reasons I bought a 125 is because it's half the cost to register in Tas. > 125 costs the same as a car!!! 

     

    $500 - car/bike > 125cc

    $250 - bike < 125cc 

    My scooter: none :(
    My bike: Honda VTR250 :)
    Wife's scooter: Honda Today 50 :D
  • 03-25-2008 08:51 PM In reply to

    • Dakoda
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    Re: choosing a 125

    WTF that is insane

    Just paid $340.90 for my Bee Wee (100cc though)
    Does this scooter make my bum look fast?
  • 03-25-2008 09:09 PM In reply to

    Re: choosing a 125

    Dakoda:

    WTF that is insane

    Just paid $340.90 for my Bee Wee (100cc though)

    That doesn't seem right?  I just paid $114 for the Agility only for 6 months though. 12 months was $198

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  • 03-25-2008 09:26 PM In reply to

    • Dakoda
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    Re: choosing a 125

    Nope that is what I paid for 12 months.  6 months was $186

    Does this scooter make my bum look fast?
  • 03-25-2008 10:20 PM In reply to

    • RHINO62
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    • Dalby Qld
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    Re: choosing a 125

    K-star:

    Dakoda:

    WTF that is insane

    Just paid $340.90 for my Bee Wee (100cc though)

    That doesn't seem right?  I just paid $114 for the Agility only for 6 months though. 12 months was $198

    single seat to dual seat rego?
    1st Scooter Daelim S-Five
    Next Scooter ???
  • 03-25-2008 10:59 PM In reply to

    Re: choosing a 125

    Oh yeah, Of course!! Is your Beewee dual seat rego, Dak??

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