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Who killed the electric car?

Last post 11-18-2008 09:30 PM by BenLang. 34 replies.
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  • 08-19-2008 09:29 PM In reply to

    • ScootaChic
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    • Joined on 10-14-2007
    • Perth (NOR), Western Australia
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    Re: Who killed the electric car?

    Joolz-V:
    If we wait for the government to come to the party it won't happen.

     

    Exactly! The community has got to stop waiting on the govt to get it's act together & start taking action themselves so the govt can't help but follow. Their chest thumping & speeches are a reflection of what the community is expressing concern about.

    Look what happened with the apology to the stolen generation. A large part of the community lead the way, crossing the harbour bridge & organising events & the govt had to follow. Same with the push towards sustainable energy. People finally gave up sitting back on their backsides whining about the lack of encouragement from the govt & finally started seriously looking into what they could feasibly do in their own homes replacing lightbulbs, reducing energy usage etc. And now they're FINALLY talking about increasing the pension. It is talk, it may only be hot air but atleast it's being talked about & not swept under the carpet.

    Oh how I would love to see one of these Vetrix babies in the flesh... the thought of the technology gives me goosebumps. Especially the regenerative braking!
    Now to be found "working" at Ace Scooters (junior salesperson, coffee maker, dish washer, gopher & general stirrer).

    Currently riding a Vespa GTS250ie. Hopefully this will be the last time I "upgrade" for a while atleast!
  • 08-20-2008 01:49 PM In reply to

    • Scott
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    • Joined on 12-06-2007
    • Brisbane South
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    Re: Who killed the electric car?

    The biggest problem with alternative energy sources and schemes is that yes, the community is behind it, they want it, but then when someone says well to set it up it will cost you $10,000 for each person or household, the "community" starts to stop and think.

    "I may save $5000 over my lifetime if I spend $10000 today Huh? Nah, cannot do that Indifferent"

    It is only those who are interesting in improving things for the future and are willing to give up something for the betterment of the future generations that support such a scheme.  Unfortunately those in that "category" are not in the majority and it is why the govt does very little to change things Sad

    Sad fact of life and politics.

    Wife first, scooters and birds second.
    Got to remember that order......

    Riding a 125cc Bug Agility (for now)
  • 08-22-2008 11:26 AM In reply to

    • apex
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    • Joined on 08-21-2008
    • Taiwan
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    Re: Who killed the electric car?

    Great thread! Where to start? The electric car - fantastic doco, and also very sad to think that this is how our business leaders think and work. But, why is it that so many of the people who are trying to develop electric cars arrive at pathetic designs? Or the performance is terrible? However, there is one exception, the Tesla Roadster (http://www.teslamotors.com), but it costs US$100,000. The company is hoping to start at the high end of the market and as they make the money back, reinvest in more affordable everyday cars. Full credit though for building a desirable car with great performance. If this doesn't get people excited by electric, then we're all doomed! As to the costs of electric scooters, I think people really aren't doing their math very well! Yes, it is a bigger initial outlay, but you're not just saving on at the petrol station. Add in oil changes, filters, spark plugs, plus any number of other parts that make up a petrol engine and can go wrong at any time and $15,000 starts to look like a good price. Now add to that some economic theory. This only looks at the monetary cost to your wallet, but many economists have argued that the true cost of any product should include its Social Cost - this thinking is the basis of carbon charging and trading schemes around the world. If I ride the Vectrix for 200km every week, then it produces about 30 tons of CO2 from the electricity I have used. If I ride a 125cc scooter (remember the Vectrix is rated as an equivalent to a 250cc, but we'll give the petrol scooter a fighting chance), then I'll use about 70 tons of CO2. For argument's sake, let's say we had a truly environmentally friendly government who decided to charge people $1 per ton of CO2 so that people paid the true full cost of any product, then you would be paying an extra $40 per week to ride the scooter. Unfortunately, a carbon tax won't be implemented by governments soon, but maybe we should think about everything we buy in these terms to understand the true cost of our purchasing decisions. Now think about the true cost of buying that cheap Chinese scooter! Let me tell you about Chinese production methods with reference to what has happened in an industry that many of my friends work in. I live in Taichung in Taiwan, which is the center of the high end bicycle industry for the world and this is no exageration as every well known company - Cannondale, Giant, Specialised, Truvativ, SRAM to name a few - all have their production based here. They are based here because originally the methods of production were loosely monitored and the processes and pollution created especially in the production of frames (coatings and paints) went unchecked. As Taiwan started to tighten the restrictions (they still have a long way to go), the costs started to become more prohibitive, and thus production has moved to China where they don't have to pay these social costs. I'm sure the same is true for the scooter industry, which is why a Taiwanese scooter will cost you more than a Chinese one. To end I would just like to add that the whole issue is down to us as individuals, and we can not rely on governments to sort this out. We need to create the change as consumers with our purchasing decisions. Buy locally produced food and goods, and if you think they are more expensive, then add in the social cost to your calculations, to get a true picture.
    No one ever said on their deathbed that they wished they'd spent more time at the office.

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  • 11-18-2008 09:27 PM In reply to

    • BenLang
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    • Perth
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    Re: Who killed the electric car?

     Balcatta E.V in perth will convert a early 90s corolla to dedicated electric for around $4000

     

    Hyundai Blade Runner, the best car to come out of the eastern states, It is a Getz gone electric.

    Piaggio MP3.... Beat the potholes!

    go go gadget power commander!
  • 11-18-2008 09:30 PM In reply to

    • BenLang
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    • Joined on 11-17-2008
    • Perth
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    Re: Who killed the electric car?

     Want to drive a car and drop emissions to around 5%, build a 12v Microwave Emissions converter... tack it in front of your Catalytic converter, and it will convert most of your carbon emission into industrial grade diamonds.... used for sunglass coating, cd/dvd/blu ray scratch protection, etc

    Piaggio MP3.... Beat the potholes!

    go go gadget power commander!
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