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Our bikes from 2003. They've been tuned up & retired from road riding to spend a life on the race track. Hopefully you'll pick up some tips to help with your mantenance or tuning project. Any questions: then ask away. I'll try to answer if I'm not busy. Alot of things have to be your own journey of discovery: I can't give you set-by-step instructions.

October 2007 - Posts

  • Post October Track night.

    Geez we were rusty.  It seems like yonks & yonks ago that we last were out on the track, & it really showed last night.  I reckon with my Le Minz experience in my head I might be trying a bit harder on the corners......just got to re-learn some consistency.

    The bikes behaved alright.Mine had gotten a bit noisier (from the gearbox) through the night.  Saw a drip of oil this morn & decided to pull the gearbox apart......all that hammering on the bearings (when fitting) must have pitted them, though it's possible it might be ending up like Darcy says;  "It's reached its design limitations".  I'll be putting a few new bearings in there (again) but taking care this time....& no hammering, & sticking with 80W90.  The oil dripped out because I used some old Loctite Gasket Seal....might not have set as it's yonks old.....be sure to use a proper paper gasket next time!

    Shel's bike had a top end rebuild earlier in the week because "the ever reliable bike" had a seize on Monday!  Suspect sticky float as there's been a few occassions in the past whereby it's dumped fuel from the carby overflow.  Getting a new float & valve.  It was such a shock when she returned shortly after her departure for Maleny with the news of the engine cutting out....luckily it didn't really lock up, but neither did it splutter....so I don't really know......it's only anecdotal evidence at best.  Might have been a pre-mix miscalculation: it's still early days for our premixing, & for a while we had different ratios, & so I could have overlooked her mix or something.  We had different ratios because I was still running-in mine.   I think the shock of her coming home with "broken bike" news sent my INR through the roof : it was 4.7 instead of just over 3.  "INR" is International Normalized Ratio for blood clotting: I have to keep mine thin coz of a few health issues.

    Now both our bikes are on 2.5% dedicated pre-mix, & I've simply removed the oil reservoir, not bothered to pull 'em apart to yank out the autolube: just left it there.  I joined the 2 autolube hoses together to make a continuous loop till I have the engines apart again.

    I've got Shel's UpGear set & bearings ready....just have to checkout the local machinist when he's ready.  She had a blast on my bike on the streets, & she really liked what it could do.  On the track night it seemed pretty zippy.....might lower my roller weight a little more yet....think I was on 5.5g's.

  • Todays Gearbox Testing

    A copy & paste below from my testing notes.  Gearbox was back together yesterday: a short test run last night.  Testing gearbox & variator weights today.

    16.10.07 Gear Ratio Testing & Oil Flushing with Mineral 75W80

    Belt Notes

    The new Dayco belt seems too short as it sits about 10mm in the contra pulley even though it's a 747, & yet Shelley's belty is a Bando 747 yet sits well high on the contra pulley. Tried 788 from the Monza, & of course it's too long, but I can get an idea for a guestimate for a better fitting Dayc belt. Guessing a shot at a 760 might do the trick.

    New oil

    A little paddock ride & some revving.

    Estimated K's 1.00

    Flushed oil which had ali particles in it.....looked dirty.

    New Oil

    Ran the bike in the shed, & revved it with back end lifted by straps.

    Flushed oil again, & still some particles came out.

    Oil appeared airated, but OK colour

    New oil

    UpGear Kit in there which gives about 10% higher gear.

    4.4g weight was alot of revving but topped 85 on the flat.

    Accelleration didn't seem that dynamic.

    3-Way Torque Pulley is set as race setting which apparantley in effect gives the bike another powerband as it holds onto a low gear for half the range then tips into higher gear.

    Climbing the hill outside was over 75.

    Estimated 4 K's

    Flushed oil

    New oil

    6.5 weights the bike seemed over-geared with mediocre take-off.

    Climbing the hill outside was struggling at 60.

    Bike was getting hot....temp read 55C, but it is quite hot out there at the moment.

    Flushed oil. Still getting fine ali particles though less & less with each oil change & increasing K's, There were a few small shards of steel.

    Estimated 10K's

    New Oil

    5.6 weights feel more like it usually does on the road. Looks like 4.9g for racing. Reasonable take-off though it's missing that powerband lurch I enjoyed...maybe the UpGear has smoothed that out. Not really sure how it compares with accelleration....will have to ride with Shel to get an idea. Will have to get Shel to watch my variator whilst riding alongside me with my gearbox cover off, to see how far up the belt is at 80+....maybe she can even video it.

    Temps were still high, about 49-53C, but maybe the old fuel & running semi has something to do with it, & it's still new rings & piston.

    18K's done.....

    Will do 50K's with this shot of oil. 100K's for the next shot. Then a track night on the final shot of mineral. Then after that will be fully syn.

    Have to ride with caution, checking the coastability & temps frequently.

     

     

    I'm bothered @ how short the belt is.  It's a Dayco 747 length, yet Shelley's Bando Belt 747 length sits all the way to the top of the torque pulley.

    Mine looks like it should be at least a cm longer.   I tried the 788 from the Monza, & of course, it was too long.  But at least I can gauge what Dayco length I can aim for if the same length numbers in the respective makes mean that Dayco comes out shorter.

  • Got the Bandit Running

    Just took the Bandit around the paddock in the dark.  Got it warmed up after sitting with a full tank of fuel for just over a month.  Not leaking any oil TOUCH WOOD.

    Will do some test runs in the morn.  Had 4.5g weights in there with the upgear, so not really sure if this is suitable.  Plenty of test runs, plenty of checking (OCD thing), plenty of oil flushes.

    Rob  :)

  • Final Drive Gearbox Replacement Gears & Bearings

    It seems like an eternity ago that I came to a skidding halt whilst still running-in my new piston, rings & head.   bought those as I'd partially melted a piston during testing for jet sizing, & dry seized it because not enough oil.  The bike was still running, but a bit of melted ali coated the plug thread, & while I was checking the plug in various throttle positions, all of a sudden the thread starts getting ugly on me, & before I realised what was going on I had a chewed up plug thread.

    Bugger it!  It was a series of stoopid errors that lead to me needing some new parts to run-in.  I'd been spooked by a noisy belt, & thought it must've been because of running a non-OEM belt....well it wasn't !  Finally twigged it was the final drive gearbox....like Duh, splash....I just fell in, I think.  Or, Kerchink!...the penny just dropped.  Below are the happy snaps of my drive belt & some oil that pooed out as it got so boiled-up in there.

    Mangled belt

    That's gotta hurt

     

     So I've bought a Malossi UpGear set that increases the gearing by about 10%.  I chose the Upgear because I didn't want to go with OEM spec with helical gears.  I hope by decreasing the roller weights I can still have good acceleration.  Time will tell.

     

     

    Malossi UpGear Kitt  

     

     

     Here is the UpGear kit.  The Malossi part # is 67 3677.

     

     

    Different size hole in gear :( 1st problem.  The loose gear supplied has an ID of 17mm, but the OEM shaft is 19mm.  Took it to a local machine shop & got them to turn down the shaft to make a tight fit.  Biffed off the the old gear with a sledge hammer.  Pressed on the new gear onto the newly machined shaft using a mechanical press.  

     All the materials are hardened & the machining blunted some lathe tool cutting tips.  I supplied some ultra hard tips from my toolmaking days, but the rural backyard machinist didn't have a holder suitable, & wasn't used to working with such materials.

     Ferk, it was a drama.

     New gear on old shaft

     Anyways, here is the finished item. 

    The dude put some Loctite gear on it, & I'm letting it get fully cured before re-assembly. 

     

     

     

     

     Ok, I know it's a crappy pic below.  The deepest & smallest bearing in the final drive gearbox has an ID of 10mm & is seated in a blind hole.  How the hell do ya get that out???  Ask your local motorcycle shop which is 50K's away.....nope can't help.     

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    Morrell McGyver Patented Bearing Puller  

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    That remover was made up from an 8mm anchor bolt which has a hook on the end.  The clips are to stop the shaft of the anchor bolt from expanding.  Slid the anchor bolt in the 10mm bearing hole, screwed it up, hooked a large shifter on the end, & then placed a jumbo shifter to slide on the "hooked shifter" thus acting as a slide hammer.  A few whacks & it was out.....gave myself a pat on the back & said, "McGyver does it again!" ...(if you don't know the mid 80's TV series "McGyver": it's basically a stooge who "gets the bad guy" & gets into situations whereby making atomic bombs out of Cornflake boxes & hairclips sort of antics always saves the day somehow. 

    You can see the expanded tube of the achor bolt just poking out.  All the greasy crap on there is grease because I tried "The Hydraulic Method"....doesn't work because no seal in the bearing so the grease just poos out when ya whack it.

    Bearings needed for the Bug Bandit final drive gearbox overhaul are:-

    1 x 6203
    1 x 6202
    2 x 6200
          You've got to pop out the seals & wash out the grease before assembly.  I'll be using some Loctite Bearing Lock.  Will do a number of oil flushes for running-in.   I'm not really sure how things will work out with this because of the lathe work.....it needs to be perfectly concentric because of the high RPMs in there.  Any slight deviation might make shitloads of vibration & soon self-destruct.  The gear that was pushed on seems to be concentric, however, there seems to be some axial (not radial) deviation there...so I really don't know how it'll work out.

    Will keep you posted.

    Rob

                                                                                                                                                                       

    Sunday 14.10.07

     I got the gearbox back together, today.   I had a bit of trouble with the Loctite Bearing Lock as it seemed as though it was setting before I had a chance to get the bearing fully home in its seat.  I had to hammer in a few bearing to make sure they were fully home.

    On top of that I forgot to include some thrust washers! :(  I had them right next to the job, but was so focused on get the assembly back together.  Might not matter so much as I'm guessing they were "in action" when coasting, that, because of the helical cut on the gear, the intermediate gear would have been pushed against its own housing....now with the straight cut that wont happen.

    The finished job doesn't feel that good when trying to roatate it, & I hope I've not flat pitted some races from the hammering.  Anyways, the whole lot is dry (oil-free) & with new straight cut gears which might account for the clunky feel.  Just have to make sure it gets plenty of running-in & flushing before declaring it "All AOK". 

    Testing on Monday.

  • Gearbox Cover

     Ok, I've not figured out how to put the pics on one side, & the writing next to it, but this will do for now.

    Below you can see my newly modified gearbox cover with it's vents & a paint job.  It was vented before, but I've opened up those holes even more, & you can definately feel the difference with warm air blowing out the back when it's stationary, even.  The middle & front vents do, yes, Really Do, suck in the air, & so when travelling along the whole box is getting a whole load of air into it.

    Is It Really Necessary???  Dunno for sure, but a heck of a lot of heat is generated in there, & I live in the hills & take the bike racing......plus the Continental Racers have 'em like this.  (bit of posing value)  Hehe.

     Bottom right is the old gear box cover.  I sanded off the old coating with wet & dry emery paper, & then painted it with "chrome paint"....I didn't really believe it's come out like a mirror as shown on the can, but it's a notch above ya boring ol' silver, I'd say.

    If I were riding on dirt roads as I used to then I would cover the vents with tape.  I have done some dirt roads & found dust in with the variator rollers.

    I replaced the old allen screw fasteners with good carbon steel hex head screws which are loctited in with medium strength thread lock.  Put stainless washers under them, too.   Bling!

    Gearbox coverGearbox Cover

    Gearbox coverOld gearbox cover

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